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October 09, 2007

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Dave

Barbara, your comments are the greatest! And I say that without having any connection to the Positive Psychology movement which, considering it's pro-war sentiments seems more like a Cognitive Dissonance Society.

Lulu Maude

Dang! We were in DC and missed this banner event! Why was I not told? And how did you get in, my dear??

It's too bad that your supposition is probably correct. I'd love to see some scientific support for joy. Instead I just see catalogs full of crap (think Sky Mall) as its substitutes.

Marc

Almost everything with the Templeton Foundation's imprimateur seems to have about it the whiff of woo.

BTW, I think you meant Charles in that last para? James Taylor's a musician, I think.

Red Paw

Jung thought that if you rejected or refused to be responsible for your dark thoughts and impulses, you stuffed them in your unconscious and then would project them on others. Seems we have a huge movement in our country to make that worse and I can't think of any other reason we're at war (well, ok, money). I read one analyst who said that if someone had good fortune that week, they were automatically assigned cleaning the cat box and taking out the trash, to keep them balanced and keep their ego from thinking that they "deserved" their good fortune. The "think good thoughts only" coalition frankly terrifies me.

Scott

Barbara,
Your normally credible thought process is absent from this piece and contributes to a distortion of facts and inconclusive links. By highlighting the negative aspects of Templeton and mentioning Positive Psychology in the same article, you paint them both with the same brush. It is a semantic trick any novice can see through. However, I applaud your identifying the negative aspects of some of the Templeton funding. As for Positive Psychology, alas, you obviously have a bone to pick. The reports from the conference identify the challenges to peoples' survival and growth on a global scale and create a dialogue on how to help people have a better quality of life. That is what Positive Psychology is up to and we need more of it.

Proletarian Librarian

How can an organization in support of an "Institute for Research on Unlimited Love" also fund pro-war commercials? Only in the incredibly disconnected universe of right-wing politics.

Anarcissie

Science _is_ war, isn't it? Science is knowledge, knowledge is power, power is for war, the state, and all that, no? Anyway, someone said something like that -- Donna Haraway maybe. And Petter Holm and Kåre Nolde Nielsen say so at http://www.cyborg-fish.net/index_files/Science%20Politics%20project%20description.%20Final..doc
(warning -- it's a Micro$oft document). I think this was a cult-crit staple of the bygone Postmodern age. Cutely it is from some Norwegian fish institute -- must be the set-up for some kind of ethnic joke, but I'm not sure of the punch line.

Kudos for being able to sit through a whole conference of the Templeton Foundation and positron psych, though. That's some real trench fighting.

Tom

Having inordinate amounts of money sometimes DOES something to people's ability to reason and be kind, generous, and sane. Yes, there have been wonderful wealthy philanthropists, but most have
a sordid past. The modern rich are meanspirited "god-wannabes." Think of all the good that could be done with the same amount of money we're waisting in Iraq in one week. If we were all good, kind, and generous with each other, if we took care of each other and our environment there would be a lot less problems.It's sad isn't it, what humanity has descended to?

roger

i have nothing whatever to say about the "universe" that barbara imagines/contrives.

that tom depicts all wealthy folks as all meanspirited god wannabes is at once violence and injury to the english language and a preposterous generalization. he appears to desire to sell the notion that the rich would prefer to fund the war in iraq than to be good and kind and generous to the vast unwashed masses. the thing fails logic. one pays taxes and the govt uses these funds in the way that fools and thieves use someone elses money. the results are evident. absent some evidence of a private fund which the wealthy contibute to which funnels wealth into the war effort i cant see how his allegation holds water.

be relieved and grateful that you have the relatively benevolent ruling class that you have. for contrast research the carnage and genocide in any number of african countries beginning in rwanda.

Larry In Lethbridge

Roger: use your shift key to provide capital letters used at the beginning of sentences and used in names for instance. I find this preposterous.

Otherwise your writing is good, but this really is annoying me.

Acacia Parks-Sheiner

Were we at the same positive psychology conference last week? The one where almost nothing was funded by Templeton, and where the name "Templeton" was only mentioned once, during the introduction of the dissertation award (which was given to someone whose research had nothing to do with any of Templeton's agendas)? Just because you seem to have the preconceived notion that all happiness is fake and stupid doesn't mean that all efforts to study it are useless (nor are the vast majority of people who choose to study it stupid, though you seem to think so). I will concede that there were a couple of wacko talks, but every conference I have ever been to has had a couple of wacko talks -- the bigger the field gets, the higher the chances that a few nutjobs will make it in. The conference had its corny moments, but I don't think that your characterization is at all accurate. And the worst part is, most of the people who have commented on this post seem to have taken your word for it! Way to spread misinformation by beating up on straw men.

Toon

The rich do not fund the war. They funded the case to go to war through think tanks. They now more than make that money back through their investments. We all now fund the war, or more properly, we pay the interest on the debt, our children are left to pay off the principal.

Toon

The rich do not fund the war. They funded the case to go to war through think tanks. They now more than make that money back through their investments. We all now fund the war, or more properly, we pay the interest on the debt, our children are left to pay off the principal.

Porlock Junior

"...my theory that this is a trial universe which has turned to be defective."

Results from Fourmilab (on no account to be confused with Fermilab) point in the same direction. http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/eht.html

Pamela Thompson, John Templeton Foundation

There are several seriously false assumptions made in this article.

The Foundation is, and always has been, run in accordance with the wishes of Sir John Templeton Sr, who laid very strict criteria for its mission and approach. Most importantly, the Foundation is a non-political entity with no religious bias. Our mission is to support projects which seek to provide answers to life’s biggest questions through rigorous scientific research and related scholarship.

To be absolutely clear, the John Templeton Foundation is totally independent of any other organization and therefore neither endorses, nor contributes to political candidates, campaigns, or movements of any kind.

Pamela Thompson
John Templeton Foundation

roger

again i am not willing to address the quality of barbara's recriminations. it is worthy to note however that if the thing looks religious or conservative or traditional then the commonly instantaneous reaction from the left is to reject and ridicule the notion. it is equally shallow for conservatives to reject inclinations which speak to questions of actual, authentic social justice and measured protection by law. it is unfortunate that media and special interest cannot look at the societal needs with clear and nonpartisan eyes.

roger

"a group which includes an anti-abortion activist and a fellow from the Heritage Foundation."

oh no, a guy who opposes the method of collapsing the skull of a full term fetus by cranial evacuation for the purpose of committing a late term gender preference abortion and a guy who believes that income which he earns should not be confiscated by the govt to fund bridges to nowhere. these guys probably pray with their families over their quiche in the morning. how will the republic ever survive.

Anarcissie

roger: '... it is worthy to note however that if the thing looks religious or conservative or traditional then the commonly instantaneous reaction from the left is to reject and ridicule the notion. ...'

Well, naturally. One of the fundamental ideas of the archaic Left, absorbed and promoted by liberalism, is that of egalitarianism; another is personal liberty. Tradition, organized religion and conservatism are usually edited by the present and past ruling class to justify inequality and authority, for obvious reasons. Occasionally there are exceptions -- religion and the Civil Rights movement for example -- but they are the kind that prove the rule.


Peter K.

"I was miffed that I had not been asked to contribute my theory that this is a trial universe which has turned to be defective."

Porlock Junior:

“Quantum nonlocality is a bug.”

Or, Earth is a planetary insane asylum-colony, kind of like how Australia started off as a prison colony.

Ron Davison

Barbara,
You're against positive psychology and war? What are you then left advocating in your personal philosophy of life - kvetching over coffee? Seriously, if you're going to dis' guys like Seligman and Csikszentmihalyi, you have to offer something other than ennui and angst as an alternative. Or at least read something like Flow or the countless books on Happiness before you show contempt for people who think that such a goal might be worth pursuing. You think that you're superior to the neo-cons who clamor for war, and you are. But if you're contemptuous of happiness you're not that much superior.
Sorry to be so pissy, but it bothers me that these guys are so ignored and then get mentioned in a such an off-hand way.

Chickensh*tEagle

roger: "...oh no, a guy who opposes the method of collapsing the skull of a full term fetus by cranial evacuation for the purpose of committing a late term gender preference abortion..."

Right, I can just see all those full-term women lined up around the block at the clinic to get their babies' brains sucked out because they're the wrong gender. They waited until they were full-term just so they could get it done that way.

Admit it: you don't want women to have control of their reproductive function and you're grasping at straws.

Barbara E

Against happiness? My latest book is "Dancing in the Streets: A History of Collective Joy." Please distinguish between happiness and "positive thinking."

As for Pamela at the Templeton Foundation: I didn't say the Foundation has a rightwing political agenda. I said John Templeton Jr. does. Unfortunately, however, that reflects on the foundation over which he presides.

roger

dilation and etraction abortion is commited by delivering the legs and the torso of the fetus in breech presentation and piercing the head at the base of the skull. the puncture is enlarged and a suction tube is inserted into the pucture. the head of the fetus remains in the vaginal canal of the woman. i do not use the word mother in this instance as the delicious irony would not overcome the falseness of the description. the women will not be a mother as the baby will be deceased. the suction is activated and the contents of the cranium are exacuated. the head then collapses and is able to pass through the undialated cervix. now my question would be is the thing any more admissible if the fetus were 8 months or 6 1/2 months developed. would the violence be less a burden to you if the reason for commiting this procedure was not gender preference but that the woman did not want strech marks or wanted to punish the father or simply could not/would not put her precious career on hold. i would suggest to you that my apprehension is not related to trying to control reproductive function but rather the pain the fetus feels and the evil of the procedure committed. i might remind you that the fetus is four inches away from being born vaginally and thus in theory having equal human rights comparable to the woman. is this concern also to be dismissed and ridiculed as right wing political agenda.

roger

i have misspelled the term. it is intact dilation and extraction abortion.

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