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February 22, 2006

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Hattie

The pressure for the "American model" is on in Germany and France. I hope they don't fall for it, or get it forced on them.

CJ

" ...no, it is not true that Cheney tortured that guy before he shot him."

Are you certain?

The 'bogusity' of unemployment statistics has always been a pet peeve of mine - the results of the underemployment-rate study should prove interesting.

John

I have always felt that one of the cruelist places in the world for the poor is America. Perhaps it is the price you pay for being a loser in the most lucrative economy in the world. But if you are excluded from it, America is hell on earth. Money, money everywhere...but not a penny to be had. Europeans are more egalitarian, their social safety nets are an important part of their culture...which is undeniably more caring and compassionate than here in the U.S.. If this somehow makes them weak or inferior to America it is sad.
Have we not, as human beings, evolved above the raw rule of the law of the jungle? Or are we petty, brutal creatures living in a veneer of social grace. I wonder.

Jess

In Berlin/Germany this subject - welfare state, US as economic model, etc. - are very much under discussion as the people are highly politicised and have many years of incredible social support infrastructure behind them. Of course the current government is going to 'modernise' an 'outdated' and 'unsustainable' system. It will take some time for things to get as bad as they are in the States, but that that's the road we've embarked on is beyond question. I am more worried about the state of countries like Ireland; Europe's fastest growing economy, thanks in large part to very close ties with the US and an emulation of many of its business models. The population there could not be said to be politicised and the distinction is increasingly between the 'winners' and the 'losers'. People need to be reminded constantly that there but for the grace of God go they - please go and speak in Ireland, Barbara!

Hattie

I get my New Yorkers late, because I live in Hawaii, but I just read the horrifying piece about poor Cajun teenage mothers, "Swamp Nurse." I cannot imagine anything this bad happening to any woman in Germany. So far.

Barbara E

Jess -- As it happens, I am going to Ireland in a couple of weeks, where I'll be enjoying the Guiness,promoting Bait and Switch, and telling them what's happened with the "American model" in its birthplace.

Hattie

Ah, Guiness in its birthplace! Have a nice trip.

theresa

If I remember correctly, off-shoring as we know it began with US Airlines sending to Ireland redeemed tickets to be processed. This was in the mid-80s when all tickets were stil paper and needed to be accounted against collected (or uncollected) fares. At the same time, US insurance companies and telemarketers were shifting sales and operations from the coasts to areas then benefiting from Farm Aid, since those losing or who had lost the family farm to agri-business were happy for these jobs and after decades toiling in the fields, laughed when people called it "work." These rural Midwestern and Irish jobs were the first lost to India, although the Irish have replaced them with other service specialties, while the former farmers were not so lucky.

Ireland is currently prosperous and via EU membership, tending towards multi-culturalism (a situation not aprreciated by all its residents,) but like India, their new niche is precarious at best. Even two years ago, the US entrepreneurs who had started companies in India to handle off-shored tasks were already eyeing Malaysia and the Philippines for even cheaper labor pools.

Jess

Oh wonderful! I don't know if you are only going to Dublin or also Cork. Cork is great; 'the rebel county' with the wittiest and maddest people in the country. In the last 10 or 15 years, since the Celtic Tiger began to purr, however, their rebellion is increasingly limited to illegally parking one of their 2 cars while they quickly nip into the shops to take advantage of the sales.

Immigration, legal and illegal, has become a burning issue. I'm not sure if anyone is talking about health care, though they should be. Property prices have speculators in a gleeful frenzy.The unemployment rate is something like 2 or 3 percent. Unions are almost gone. While this continues the majority are happy to buy houses at the inflated prices, have their 3 'foreign' holidays per year, and behave as if a mere 15 years ago almost everyone they knew wasn't on the dole and thinking about emigrating. Memories are short and so is sight - the poor, and they do still exist, are increasingly invisible somehow.

Ah, but it's a great place nonetheless. If you do go to Cork, drink Beamish.
Have an inspiring effect! And a good time, practically inevitable.

Barbara E

Jess -- Only Dublin this time unfortunately, though I did get to Belfast a year ago.

dearkitty

See my report on big demonstration by workers from many European countries, interview with German strikers, etc. at

http://dearkitty.modblog.com/core.mod?show=blogview&blog_id=809554

Chris Hanson

The comment about WWII is peculiar. The USSR did more to win the war than the USA did, however, you could say that the USA outsourced most of the fighting.

BG

I'm not too happy about how this interview (the interviews?) seem(s) to turn into a competition where the poor are poorer. Maybe you could have held your interview sessions in a local employment agency - I'm sure Berlin doesn't look much like an anonymous, boring hotel lobby there.

A3K

"The comment about WWII is peculiar. The USSR did more to win the war than the USA did, however, you could say that the USA outsourced most of the fighting."

The Soviets were defending their homes. The Americans were defending an ideal.

So you could say the Soviets outsourced that war. If you cared about accuracy.

Robert Burns

My Father was was a Merchant Seaman who sailed the world for over forty years surviving world WarII, Korea, Viet-Nam and the first Persian Gulf fiasco. I would see him periodically while I was attending College during the early 1970's. Of course, he would always ask:"How's school?" Then, after I'd filled him in he'd say: "Listen carefully, I don't see anything wrong with a college education but you better learn how to do something valuable with your hands because the way I see the world headed you may very well need it." I was always a little puzzled by that advice at the time, however, I did follow it and now at 55 I appreciate it more than ever.
Young people need to diversify their capacities in conjunction with their talents and apptitudes and thereby reduce their vulnerabilty to the vicissitudes of the corporate career and ultimately the sword of indigence.

Cosima

The last question wasn't as stupid as you make it sound; I have always wondered if, when and how Americans lost their "Möglichkeitssinn" (sense for potentialities). The American system is elitist, racist and socially determininistic. Germany faces similar problems, although they are not as pervasive/acute -- but here, people actually worry about these issues. In the US, unfairness is just part of everyday life. Why have so many Americans given up hope that things will ever change, or can be changed for the better?

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